Comments on: Play Detective With The ACLU http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/ This blog was filmed before a live studio audience Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:42:20 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jeremiah http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10708 Jeremiah Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:01:49 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10708 Hi Cranky and Kevin, I suspect the ACLU leadership is more "agenda driven" than some portions of its better-meaning membership. (The former are die-hards, the latter are trying to feel like they're helping the "good fight.") No reason to ease up on showing the organization for what it is, though. Hi Cranky and Kevin,
I suspect the ACLU leadership is more “agenda driven” than some portions of its better-meaning membership. (The former are die-hards, the latter are trying to feel like they’re helping the “good fight.”) No reason to ease up on showing the organization for what it is, though.

]]> By: Kevin http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10698 Kevin Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:00:59 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10698 "The tricky truth includes that many ACLU members don’t identify as communists and, if pressed, will protest that of course they’re not." They don't need to identify <i>themselves</i> as Communists. You just use the magnifying glass. That thingy. Up there. “The tricky truth includes that many ACLU members don’t identify as communists and, if pressed, will protest that of course they’re not.”

They don’t need to identify themselves as Communists. You just use the magnifying glass. That thingy. Up there.

]]> By: Sean Gleeson http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10696 Sean Gleeson Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:28:59 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10696 <strong>ACLU lens gizmo</strong> A new invention by Cranky exposes the American Civil Liberties Union. Move the magnifying glass above the heads of the panelists to read their thoughts, and over the poster on the dais to see their sacred icon. Fortunately, it does not see through clo... ACLU lens gizmo

A new invention by Cranky exposes the American Civil Liberties Union. Move the magnifying glass above the heads of the panelists to read their thoughts, and over the poster on the dais to see their sacred icon. Fortunately, it does not see through clo…

]]> By: Cranky http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10693 Cranky Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:10:53 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10693 "The tricky truth includes that many ACLU members don’t identify as communists and, if pressed, will protest that of course they’re not. (The ones I’ve met are that way.) As the USSR fades into historical memory, many ACLU-enthusiasts will view the hammer-and-sickle characterization as absurd" Point well taken. Thank you. The Communist reference alludes to the origins of the ACLU, which found itself very much in the camp of the anti-Americans of a different era - the Communists. Their definition of "civil liberties" seems so narrowly focused and their defenses so abolute and that one can see a clear agenda emerging. "What are the differences between “civil liberties” in theory (sure, freedom’s worth fighting for)and in practice (e.g., when known groups want to kill Americans)." There seems to be no "search and seizure" situation that is satisfactory to their lawyers. The pursuit of the "separation of church and state" goes far beyond any restriction envisioned by the authors of the Bill of Rights. Are they for strict interpretation (theoretical, as you put it) or rather more agenda driven? Your thoughts? “The tricky truth includes that many ACLU members don’t identify as communists and, if pressed, will protest that of course they’re not. (The ones I’ve met are that way.) As the USSR fades into historical memory, many ACLU-enthusiasts will view the hammer-and-sickle characterization as absurd”

Point well taken. Thank you. The Communist reference alludes to the origins of the ACLU, which found itself very much in the camp of the anti-Americans of a different era – the Communists.

Their definition of “civil liberties” seems so narrowly focused and their defenses so abolute and that one can see a clear agenda emerging.

“What are the differences between “civil liberties” in theory (sure, freedom’s worth fighting for)and in practice (e.g., when known groups want to kill Americans).”

There seems to be no “search and seizure” situation that is satisfactory to their lawyers. The pursuit of the “separation of church and state” goes far beyond any restriction envisioned by the authors of the Bill of Rights.

Are they for strict interpretation (theoretical, as you put it) or rather more agenda driven? Your thoughts?

]]> By: Jeremiah http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10692 Jeremiah Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:59:03 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10692 I strongly appreciate neo-conservative image-busting of the ACLU, like here and Discover the Networks, etc. The tricky truth includes that many ACLU members don't identify as communists and, if pressed, will protest that of course they're not. (The ones I've met are that way.) As the USSR fades into historical memory, many ACLU-enthusiasts will view the hammer-and-sickle characterization as absurd. I think it boils down to a good, hard political fight over What constitutes a "civil liberties"? What are the differences between "civil liberties" in theory (sure, freedom's worth fighting for)and in practice (e.g., when known groups want to kill Americans). I strongly appreciate neo-conservative image-busting of the ACLU, like here and Discover the Networks, etc.

The tricky truth includes that many ACLU members don’t identify as communists and, if pressed, will protest that of course they’re not. (The ones I’ve met are that way.) As the USSR fades into historical memory, many ACLU-enthusiasts will view the hammer-and-sickle characterization as absurd.

I think it boils down to a good, hard political fight over What constitutes a “civil liberties”? What are the differences between “civil liberties” in theory (sure, freedom’s worth fighting for)and in practice (e.g., when known groups want to kill Americans).

]]> By: Cranky http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10691 Cranky Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:50:05 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10691 Thank y'all for the kind words. Your words have all been recorded in an NSA wiretap. Thank y’all for the kind words. Your words have all been recorded in an NSA wiretap.

]]> By: Rhod http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10690 Rhod Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:34:12 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10690 Cranky: Terrific. I remember when William Koenstler, was asked years ago about what part he would play in a place like Cuba. He answered that he wanted to "work on a collective farm". Koenstler was farming stuff in his nose and ears and eyebrows, which is as close as he ever got to manual labor. Same for the ACLU types. Cranky:

Terrific. I remember when William Koenstler, was asked years ago about what part he would play in a place like Cuba. He answered that he wanted to “work on a collective farm”.

Koenstler was farming stuff in his nose and ears and eyebrows, which is as close as he ever got to manual labor. Same for the ACLU types.

]]> By: Vinnie http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10688 Vinnie Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:34:04 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10688 Kim Jong Ear sez: Excerrent! Kim Jong Ear sez:

Excerrent!

]]> By: Bullgator http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10687 Bullgator Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:21:52 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10687 Simply priceless!!! Simply priceless!!!

]]> By: Preston Taylor Holmes http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-10686 Preston Taylor Holmes Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:46:20 +0000 http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2006/01/28/play-detective-with-the-aclu/#comment-10686 This one just made my morning. Thanks Cranky! This one just made my morning. Thanks Cranky!

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