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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2007/01/12/welcome-to-the-most-ethical-congress-in-history/comment-page-1/#comment-58249</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an update for Shauna Braindead since she was arguing about how we need illegal aliens to do the jobs Americans won&#039;t do and how vital they are to our economy.  Oh, and how we apparently are humming along at such low unemployment levels...

The latest unemployment data has these cities with the highest unemployment rates:

#8 Hanford, CA 7.8%
#5 Fresno, CA  8%
#3 Visalia, CA 8.4%
#2 Yuma, AZ 13.3%
#1 El Centro, CA 16.2%

Hmm...is there a common factor between these cities?  Wait!  I got it...

All have large ILLEGAL ALIEN populations!  

Just sayin&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an update for Shauna Braindead since she was arguing about how we need illegal aliens to do the jobs Americans won&#8217;t do and how vital they are to our economy.  Oh, and how we apparently are humming along at such low unemployment levels&#8230;</p>
<p>The latest unemployment data has these cities with the highest unemployment rates:</p>
<p>#8 Hanford, CA 7.8%<br />
#5 Fresno, CA  8%<br />
#3 Visalia, CA 8.4%<br />
#2 Yuma, AZ 13.3%<br />
#1 El Centro, CA 16.2%</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230;is there a common factor between these cities?  Wait!  I got it&#8230;</p>
<p>All have large ILLEGAL ALIEN populations!  </p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2007/01/12/welcome-to-the-most-ethical-congress-in-history/comment-page-1/#comment-55098</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am actuall well-aware of the liberal definition of &quot;Mexican-national&quot;.  I was being ironic.

Of course we all know that &quot;Mexican-national&quot; is a neo-journalistic euphemism for &quot;here illegally.&quot;  Especially when there are 8 of them in one vehicle in Oklahoma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actuall well-aware of the liberal definition of &#8220;Mexican-national&#8221;.  I was being ironic.</p>
<p>Of course we all know that &#8220;Mexican-national&#8221; is a neo-journalistic euphemism for &#8220;here illegally.&#8221;  Especially when there are 8 of them in one vehicle in Oklahoma.</p>
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		<title>By: Smantix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smantix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different sides of the same coin from my perspective.

Unfair competition from so-called Free Trade with countries (that don&#039;t freely trade with us) and illegal competition by hamstringing American workers against workers unencumbered by labor laws.  The level playing field &lt;i&gt;is not&lt;/i&gt;.  

At the end of the day I&#039;m an economic nationalist.  If a rising tide lifts somebody in another country&#039;s boat - well that&#039;s just super but if that tide means poking a hole in the US worker&#039;s boat then I&#039;m going to be against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different sides of the same coin from my perspective.</p>
<p>Unfair competition from so-called Free Trade with countries (that don&#8217;t freely trade with us) and illegal competition by hamstringing American workers against workers unencumbered by labor laws.  The level playing field <i>is not</i>.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day I&#8217;m an economic nationalist.  If a rising tide lifts somebody in another country&#8217;s boat &#8211; well that&#8217;s just super but if that tide means poking a hole in the US worker&#8217;s boat then I&#8217;m going to be against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Braisted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Braisted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smatix, we are talking about two different things now.  Are we talking about wages being depressed because of &quot;illegal&quot; immigration, or because of competition with foreign markets?  I think there is a stronger argument for the latter, simply because textile companies have to compete on a global market, with much cheaper product coming out of lesser developed countries.  

Even if some of these companies hire illegal immigrants to compete, they still have to pay them a much higher wage than a company in Indonesia.  The question is though, if there weren&#039;t illegal immigrants, would they pay more to hire legal citizens; or would they simply close down because of an inability to compete?  Frankly, I think an American based textile plant employing illegal immigrants is better than a closed down plant producing nothing.  But then again, I&#039;m sure that textile plant could be converted into some nice loft space for some artistic liberal to convert into a studio :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smatix, we are talking about two different things now.  Are we talking about wages being depressed because of &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigration, or because of competition with foreign markets?  I think there is a stronger argument for the latter, simply because textile companies have to compete on a global market, with much cheaper product coming out of lesser developed countries.  </p>
<p>Even if some of these companies hire illegal immigrants to compete, they still have to pay them a much higher wage than a company in Indonesia.  The question is though, if there weren&#8217;t illegal immigrants, would they pay more to hire legal citizens; or would they simply close down because of an inability to compete?  Frankly, I think an American based textile plant employing illegal immigrants is better than a closed down plant producing nothing.  But then again, I&#8217;m sure that textile plant could be converted into some nice loft space for some artistic liberal to convert into a studio <img src='http://sixmeatbuffet.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Smantix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smantix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Considering there is no way of backing up that claim, its hard to agree or disagree.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure there is.  Show the number of textile manufacturers closing their Southeast Asian factories and moving them to the United States.  If there&#039;s no difference between paying someone 50 cents a day in Indonesia and paying someone $16 a hour in California then it should be a fairly simple exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Considering there is no way of backing up that claim, its hard to agree or disagree.</i></p>
<p>Sure there is.  Show the number of textile manufacturers closing their Southeast Asian factories and moving them to the United States.  If there&#8217;s no difference between paying someone 50 cents a day in Indonesia and paying someone $16 a hour in California then it should be a fairly simple exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Braisted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Braisted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Mexican National is someone whose Nationality is Mexican.  They may have been &quot;illegal immigrants&quot; or they may have been here legally (work, travel, or education visas) but not citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Mexican National is someone whose Nationality is Mexican.  They may have been &#8220;illegal immigrants&#8221; or they may have been here legally (work, travel, or education visas) but not citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2007/01/12/welcome-to-the-most-ethical-congress-in-history/comment-page-1/#comment-54398</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK...help me out here.  What is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=domesticNews&amp;storyid=2007-01-14T172850Z_01_N14362904_RTRUKOC_0_US-CRASH-WEATHER-OKLAHOMA.xml&amp;src=rss&amp;rpc=22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Mexican National?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;


Amazing that these &quot;Mexican Nationals&quot; didn&#039;t hurt any &quot;Oklahoma Americans&quot; in the crash...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;help me out here.  What is a <a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=domesticNews&amp;storyid=2007-01-14T172850Z_01_N14362904_RTRUKOC_0_US-CRASH-WEATHER-OKLAHOMA.xml&amp;src=rss&amp;rpc=22" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Mexican National?&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Amazing that these &#8220;Mexican Nationals&#8221; didn&#8217;t hurt any &#8220;Oklahoma Americans&#8221; in the crash&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Braisted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Braisted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m just going to have to side with the American worker on this one and say that &lt;b&gt;their wages would have already increased on their own if they didn’t have to be comparison shopped against illegal competition.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

Considering there is no way of backing up that claim, its hard to agree or disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m just going to have to side with the American worker on this one and say that <b>their wages would have already increased on their own if they didn’t have to be comparison shopped against illegal competition.</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>Considering there is no way of backing up that claim, its hard to agree or disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Smantix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smantix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Democrats are planning on crafting and passing legislation which &lt;b&gt;would take away the illegal status&lt;/b&gt; of many of the immigrants in the workforce; a minimum wage increase will not hurt low wage workers as much as you’d think. &lt;b&gt;Besides, many of the illegal immigrants make more than the minimum wage&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s the thing.  Who should be passing laws about the minimum wage if even illegal immigrants make more than minimum wage - as you just contended?  Think about that one for a second.  Who is clamoring for this legislation if that is truly the case?

Declaring a group no longer &quot;illegal&quot; doesn&#039;t alleviate the problem.  Where once you could work a job that paid $10-12 an hour and &lt;b&gt;paid no taxes&lt;/b&gt;, you now have to hand over 30% of your weekly income to Uncle Sam not counting healthcare.  Being declared a legal US citizen would be a pay cut.

The incentive moves like so:

a)  Continue same job = make less money after      taxes

b) Find better job = make up for 30% loss of income

c)  Have no job = legally receive federal assistance

I&#039;m just going to have to side with the American worker on this one and say that their wages would have already increased on their own if they didn&#039;t have to be comparison shopped against illegal competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Democrats are planning on crafting and passing legislation which <b>would take away the illegal status</b> of many of the immigrants in the workforce; a minimum wage increase will not hurt low wage workers as much as you’d think. <b>Besides, many of the illegal immigrants make more than the minimum wage</b></i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing.  Who should be passing laws about the minimum wage if even illegal immigrants make more than minimum wage &#8211; as you just contended?  Think about that one for a second.  Who is clamoring for this legislation if that is truly the case?</p>
<p>Declaring a group no longer &#8220;illegal&#8221; doesn&#8217;t alleviate the problem.  Where once you could work a job that paid $10-12 an hour and <b>paid no taxes</b>, you now have to hand over 30% of your weekly income to Uncle Sam not counting healthcare.  Being declared a legal US citizen would be a pay cut.</p>
<p>The incentive moves like so:</p>
<p>a)  Continue same job = make less money after      taxes</p>
<p>b) Find better job = make up for 30% loss of income</p>
<p>c)  Have no job = legally receive federal assistance</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just going to have to side with the American worker on this one and say that their wages would have already increased on their own if they didn&#8217;t have to be comparison shopped against illegal competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Braisted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Braisted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The California Minimum wage at 7.50 per hour is already higher than the Federal Minimum wage would be in 2 years.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/calPR.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;unemployment rate&lt;/a&gt; in California is nearly equal with the Federal unemployment rate.  

November 2006; California - 4.5, US - 4.3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The California Minimum wage at 7.50 per hour is already higher than the Federal Minimum wage would be in 2 years.  The <a href="http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/calPR.pdf" rel="nofollow">unemployment rate</a> in California is nearly equal with the Federal unemployment rate.  </p>
<p>November 2006; California &#8211; 4.5, US &#8211; 4.3</p>
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