How about bringing, ya know, a logical argument to make your point?

John is very patient. He’s also fairly obtuse, evasive and a demagogue.

Based on your comments, I am left wondering – as Managing Director of Loews Vanderbilt Plaza hotels and as a member of the pro-illegal Chamber of Commerce, what is your position on hiring illegal aliens, covering identity theft, denying them healthcare and paying the minimum wage when no one’s looking while Tennessee’s unemployment rate is around 8% for US citizens.

Also, if you don’t mind me asking, since there’s nothing morally “wrong” with hiring illegals how many of them are officers at Loews or are they only allowed to clean the rooms, wash the dishes and do the landscaping?

Help show me the path out of capital “h” Hate through the magnificence of your personal efforts, Tom.

Most Sincerely.

John Lamb is one patient man! If Brian,Exador,American Warmonger and Yiddish Steel had any idea what they were talking about it would be a conversation…. Your Fear has turned to Hate is a testiment to your comments and misconceptions.

I would suggest that you guys spend a little time looking for the facts before you spout.

Wishing you Peace and some understanding of a complicated issue,

Tom

I should also conclude that you’re not John Lamb. What? I’m supposed to think that you’re John Lamb because you sign your name as John Lamb and talk about things John Lamb talks about? I need DNA evidence before I can confirm or deny that you are who you say your are due to this new rule of proactively seeking out contrary evidence on ancillary tangents in an anecdotal discussion.

You castigated me for concluding you were a practicing attorney in an area of the law that you plainly have familiarity with and let’s face it – you use your position as an attorney to attempt to speak authoritatively on the subject and shut down debate.

You’re the one bringing your wife into this and how much English she speaks – whatever the hell that is supposed to mean as it is completely irrelevant to this entire thread. I don’t know about your previous dealings with Wes Comer. I don’t know Wes Comer. Or your wife.

As far as not visiting here anymore what can I say? It’s a free country (for people who are legal citizens here). Thanks for playing.

Re #14, and #13 paragraph 3: Blogger Wes Comer once tried to correct me on how much English my wife speaks. How he thought his argument could trump my first-hand knowledge of my own life and that of my wife was beyond me. I don’t know Wes, but what he did killed my sense of any value in visiting his site.

Your response to my P.S. not only further proved my point in the P.S. (did you check for any contrary evidence to that one site you found? there’s plenty of it), but you also gave me an unpleasant case of Wes Comer déjà vu.

For that reason, I’m inclined to end this. In the spirit of trying to find common ground that even you can’t disagree with, let me adopt a statement you made in #5:

“You’re going to have to excuse me for not visiting your site.”

Forget you hate me for a moment, and check out this story I wrote a couple a days ago from an El Pasoan.

(Sorry for the html code, but when I switched to SharonCobb.com, that’s the only way I can get links)

Come to think of it, Tennessee does not certify specialists in the law. So you could pretty much say you’re not an anything attorney outside of civil or criminal. Always with the games.

Consider my statement owned and I’m not shutting up about it until every illegal gets to the back of the line of the people who have followed the rules. It’s the Obamanian Code to punish the people who’ve followed the rules in favor of the lawbreakers.

As far as thinking you’re an immigration attorney. Gee. You’re an attorney who runs a website called Hispanic Nashville that deals primarily with immigration issues. Who would have made that tragic leap? Is this a different John Lamb in Nashville listed as an Immigration attorney?

Chairman Mao, Chairman Obama, Ernesto the Child Murderer…honestly – what’s not to like?

The murders by illegals are completely preventable though. That’s the obvious point you intentionally refuse to recognize in your not very convincing argument. As long as you’re into poor argument ownership, your rhetorical balance is upside-down and subprime at best. And the visaless worker did not build my house.

On to your fatuous and morally equivocating comparison of using deadly force to protect property rights to deportation. Deportation is not murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter. It is is no way, shape or form violence against an individual. I realize you’d like to raise the bloody shirt on that point but we’re more likely to find that bloody shirt being worn by the person your friends just killed in a DUI. Again, completely preventable.

As far as the “familes torn apart”, those families can choose to stay together. That they would rather wave goodbye to their deported relative rather than hobo a ride back home on the train of consequences for being accomplices to lawbreaking says more about their character.

Like most people, I fully support legal immigration to this country. But we have to know who we’re dealing with. It’s convenient for you to find a pregnant woman and make her the face of your movement rather than an Ivan Moreno or an Angel Resendiz. You’re passively defending them though by default.

You’ve still never answered my question. You go off on this pious “let’s appeal to our better angels” immigration policy that puts us all at risk. I’m not buying it. I realize that business interests want to evade taxes and minimum wage laws, and that human traffickers really like the current arrangement and that Democrats love a new identity group to bribe for votes but someone should at least get a thorough background check before being allowed in this country.

In this regard, you have contributed nothing to this discussion in terms of real solutions for allaying real concerns under the current system. Maybe if we adopted the same standards Mexicans use on Guatemalans that would be more humane.

As to whether removing an entire group of people can be justified by the crimes committed by some in the group, then every demographic and people group has to get out. That’s not a very convincing argument.

Glad you liked the cartoons. As long as we’re going with the compliments, I like your blog’s graphic design.

As for what humane immigration law would look like, that’s a fair question.

Why don’t we turn to just about any other area of U.S. law, in which opportunity abounds, life is more precious than land, freedom is more valuable than money, and time forgives a multitude of sins. Outside the arena of immigration, we don’t limit the number of drivers licenses we give out. We don’t allow property owners to set spring-loaded guns to keep out trespassers. We don’t allow unpaid debts to land people in prison. We don’t allow most crimes to land people in jail for the rest of their lives. But when it comes to immigrant law, we ignore those values. By putting low numerical caps on immigration and allowing only certain reasons for immigrating, we have done the equivalent of shutting down the DMV to everyone except those whose last name begins with a vowel. By tearing families apart even when they’re otherwise on their best behavior, we have left the guns spring-loaded. By taking from immigration judges the power to consider community ties and good behavior and then forgive visa violations, we have left the debtors in prison. And by eliminating the statute of limitations for illegal immigration, we have condemned the visaless worker who rebuilds your house to more years of punishment than the arsonist who would burn it down.

How do we make immigration law more humane? We make it more American – by putting into immigration law the American values we have in the other areas of the law – the ones that govern us.

P.S.: What is the deal with people thinking I’m an immigration lawyer? You’re not alone in thinking this – Kleinheider and Coble (if I remember correctly) have made this same flub before, too. In this case, however, you have to admit it is a particularly timely example of that same point I started with. You know, that you describe people before you know the facts on which you base your description.

I’m assuming this “humane immigration” accounts for the US victims of the criminals who have migrated here as well as the countless other victims of identity theft and fraud or have lost their jobs while disreputable employers exploit illegal labor at the expense of Americans suffering under an 8.1% unemployment rate that will possibly hit double digits in the next year.

Although I do appreciate being communicated to in the form of cartoons.

So what constitutes “humane immigration” from the second highest profile immigration lawyer in Nashville?