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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2009/06/08/stumped-speech-live-without-a-teleprompter/comment-page-1/#comment-592812</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taken.

When I see somebody on the Left criticize Obama for failure then I will believe it.  Instead, I&#039;m treated to goalpost moving and &quot;the honeymoon period&#039;s not over&quot; blather.  Whether he&#039;s nominating tax cheats to run the IRS, sending terrorists on luxurious, taxpayer provided vacations to an island paradise, or telling a car company how much money they are allowed to advertise - what he is doing is wrong and anyone should be able to see that on the surface.  I get stories about puppy dogs and date nights when there are some serious problems going on here.

That&#039;s what this post is about.  He gets put on the spot.  It takes a foreign reporter to do it.  He appears dumbstruck by a question that what he is doing is not working because he never has to face this line of inquiry here.

As far as North Korea goes.  We say we pass a resolution that says their ships will be searched if they meet some high threshold of suspicion.  In response to such a tepid measure, China (the holder of our debt), announces today that we better not even go that far.  So, we can expect more &quot;provocative&quot; North Korean acts in the very near future

Back to Iran.  As we will meet with anyone with no pre-conditions, how does Ahmadinejad arresting his rival post-election and gunning down protesters in the streets going to play with that?  Our President says that we have no standards.  If we do not &quot;meddle&quot; in other people&#039;s affairs then the truly pro-Democracy Iranians are going to be squelched as harshly as their Chinese counterparts were 20 years ago.  

It&#039;s now out there for all to see.  Their election was stolen and no one will do anything about it.

In the end, we either prop up someone friendly or we make a deal with the devil.  When you have no standards you shake hands with the devil on his terms.  Your mileage as to how &quot;careful&quot; that diplomacy is may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taken.</p>
<p>When I see somebody on the Left criticize Obama for failure then I will believe it.  Instead, I&#8217;m treated to goalpost moving and &#8220;the honeymoon period&#8217;s not over&#8221; blather.  Whether he&#8217;s nominating tax cheats to run the IRS, sending terrorists on luxurious, taxpayer provided vacations to an island paradise, or telling a car company how much money they are allowed to advertise &#8211; what he is doing is wrong and anyone should be able to see that on the surface.  I get stories about puppy dogs and date nights when there are some serious problems going on here.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what this post is about.  He gets put on the spot.  It takes a foreign reporter to do it.  He appears dumbstruck by a question that what he is doing is not working because he never has to face this line of inquiry here.</p>
<p>As far as North Korea goes.  We say we pass a resolution that says their ships will be searched if they meet some high threshold of suspicion.  In response to such a tepid measure, China (the holder of our debt), announces today that we better not even go that far.  So, we can expect more &#8220;provocative&#8221; North Korean acts in the very near future</p>
<p>Back to Iran.  As we will meet with anyone with no pre-conditions, how does Ahmadinejad arresting his rival post-election and gunning down protesters in the streets going to play with that?  Our President says that we have no standards.  If we do not &#8220;meddle&#8221; in other people&#8217;s affairs then the truly pro-Democracy Iranians are going to be squelched as harshly as their Chinese counterparts were 20 years ago.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s now out there for all to see.  Their election was stolen and no one will do anything about it.</p>
<p>In the end, we either prop up someone friendly or we make a deal with the devil.  When you have no standards you shake hands with the devil on his terms.  Your mileage as to how &#8220;careful&#8221; that diplomacy is may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Thelonious Funk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thelonious Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I said I&#039;d leave it alone, and I will after this, but I would like to try to clear up some misconceptions. 

1. I have never suggested Mr. Obama is Christ-like, infallable, or anything of the like. That is your own rhetoric, keyed into the current conservative meme that requires everyone to either loathe Obama with fervent rage or to worship him as a cultish messiah. I am in neither camp. It doesn&#039;t fit your narrative, but there ate actually quite a few moderates still in existence outside the blog-O-sphere. 

2. I didn&#039;t suggest you deleted or edited my comments. You do, however, start your postings here with carefully selected and edited representations of the &#039;other side,&#039; as a setup for your brilliant commentary describing &#039;them&#039; as bone-crushingly stupid, yet somehow   cultishly sinister. My appearances here as a very rare dissenting view disrupts that pattern, if only slightly. Sorry if that confused you. 

3. As for the circumstances in Iran and N Korea, I maintan my view that both are delicate circumstances better served at this point by careful diplomacy, rather than jocular posturing. At some point the line may be crossed and military intervention required. I hope not. If it is, I hope you&#039;ll support the troops as they go into harm&#039;s way. Either theatre could make Iraq look like boy scout camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I said I&#8217;d leave it alone, and I will after this, but I would like to try to clear up some misconceptions. </p>
<p>1. I have never suggested Mr. Obama is Christ-like, infallable, or anything of the like. That is your own rhetoric, keyed into the current conservative meme that requires everyone to either loathe Obama with fervent rage or to worship him as a cultish messiah. I am in neither camp. It doesn&#8217;t fit your narrative, but there ate actually quite a few moderates still in existence outside the blog-O-sphere. </p>
<p>2. I didn&#8217;t suggest you deleted or edited my comments. You do, however, start your postings here with carefully selected and edited representations of the &#8216;other side,&#8217; as a setup for your brilliant commentary describing &#8216;them&#8217; as bone-crushingly stupid, yet somehow   cultishly sinister. My appearances here as a very rare dissenting view disrupts that pattern, if only slightly. Sorry if that confused you. </p>
<p>3. As for the circumstances in Iran and N Korea, I maintan my view that both are delicate circumstances better served at this point by careful diplomacy, rather than jocular posturing. At some point the line may be crossed and military intervention required. I hope not. If it is, I hope you&#8217;ll support the troops as they go into harm&#8217;s way. Either theatre could make Iraq look like boy scout camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2009/06/08/stumped-speech-live-without-a-teleprompter/comment-page-1/#comment-592240</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boohoo.  I respect independent thinkers who make sense when arguing their side. Your responses have neither been edited or deleted.  

As far as pre-determined responses go, how&#039;d that Iranian election turn out?  Seems your Hope (tm) for Change (R) didn&#039;t pan out and now your Christ-figure is going to legitimize the hardliners while they&#039;ve cracked down on the opposition.

Yesterday, on the heels of the aforementioned UN resolution, North Korea announced plans for not just another missile test but another nuclear one.  Another success!

When you can admit the mistake(s) you made I&#039;ll be here for your confessional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boohoo.  I respect independent thinkers who make sense when arguing their side. Your responses have neither been edited or deleted.  </p>
<p>As far as pre-determined responses go, how&#8217;d that Iranian election turn out?  Seems your Hope &#8482; for Change (R) didn&#8217;t pan out and now your Christ-figure is going to legitimize the hardliners while they&#8217;ve cracked down on the opposition.</p>
<p>Yesterday, on the heels of the aforementioned UN resolution, North Korea announced plans for not just another missile test but another nuclear one.  Another success!</p>
<p>When you can admit the mistake(s) you made I&#8217;ll be here for your confessional.</p>
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		<title>By: Thelonious Funk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thelonious Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, gee, so sorry to sporadically disrupt your harumph-fest with thoughts that don&#039;t harumph along the Party Line. I realize it might make you feel a little gassy when other opinions turn up on the buffet whithout first being cherry-picked and edited to enhance your vastly superior pre-determined response.  Don&#039;t worry, I won&#039;t make you queasy too often. Go back to your friends now. I can hear them harumphing for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, gee, so sorry to sporadically disrupt your harumph-fest with thoughts that don&#8217;t harumph along the Party Line. I realize it might make you feel a little gassy when other opinions turn up on the buffet whithout first being cherry-picked and edited to enhance your vastly superior pre-determined response.  Don&#8217;t worry, I won&#8217;t make you queasy too often. Go back to your friends now. I can hear them harumphing for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sixmeatbuffet.com/archives/2009/06/08/stumped-speech-live-without-a-teleprompter/comment-page-1/#comment-592028</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps in some benighted quarters there are still people who think that the Cuban Missile Crisis was solved by Kennedy&#039;s mad letter writing skillz, but others prefer to see it for what it was - the full force threat of military action with bombers in the air 24 hours a day.

Oh yes.  I forgot the Democrat birthright refrain - &quot;I inherited that problem.&quot;  Bush, who let North Korea get the bomb, did not inherit the policy of appeasement from the Clintons where brilliant strategists Richardson and Halfbright tried to buy off NK with nuclear reactors while they violated the sham non-proliferation treaty that the newest, useless UN Resolution demands that they return to one of these days.

If only every press conference after 9/11 had Bush gone in front of the mic and just kept repeating, &quot;9/11, shit, I inherited that problem.  bin Laden bombed the WTC in 1993 and Clinton dicked around bombing baby aspirin factories in Iraq of all places.  Iraq?  They don&#039;t even have Weapons of Mass Destruction!&quot;

And now we&#039;re in the same exact situation again with Iran.  Maybe it&#039;s just the cynic in me who doesn&#039;t think that Ahmadinejad is just going to ride his camel into the sunset as you seem to do but then again I don&#039;t imagine any President I voted for riding into the office of a multi-billion dollar private company on a unicorn and firing the CEO.

Cartoonish is the worldview that thinks hardliners in Tehran, Pyongyang, Moscow and Beijing respect weakness and that we establish Peace Through Superior Flower Power.  The truth is that Obama could not give a shit less about North Korea.  It&#039;s all a, are you ready for this?, &quot;distraction&quot; from his greater goals of punishing first priority lien holders for believing there was a system of law in place in this country and extorting money out of states to support his car company habit.

Stay in your fantasy world, TF.  You&#039;ve commented on and off here for several years now.  Do us a favor and stick with &quot;off&quot; for a while until you wake up and realize you voted for a megalomaniac who is systematically going to turn us into a third world country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps in some benighted quarters there are still people who think that the Cuban Missile Crisis was solved by Kennedy&#8217;s mad letter writing skillz, but others prefer to see it for what it was &#8211; the full force threat of military action with bombers in the air 24 hours a day.</p>
<p>Oh yes.  I forgot the Democrat birthright refrain &#8211; &#8220;I inherited that problem.&#8221;  Bush, who let North Korea get the bomb, did not inherit the policy of appeasement from the Clintons where brilliant strategists Richardson and Halfbright tried to buy off NK with nuclear reactors while they violated the sham non-proliferation treaty that the newest, useless UN Resolution demands that they return to one of these days.</p>
<p>If only every press conference after 9/11 had Bush gone in front of the mic and just kept repeating, &#8220;9/11, shit, I inherited that problem.  bin Laden bombed the WTC in 1993 and Clinton dicked around bombing baby aspirin factories in Iraq of all places.  Iraq?  They don&#8217;t even have Weapons of Mass Destruction!&#8221;</p>
<p>And now we&#8217;re in the same exact situation again with Iran.  Maybe it&#8217;s just the cynic in me who doesn&#8217;t think that Ahmadinejad is just going to ride his camel into the sunset as you seem to do but then again I don&#8217;t imagine any President I voted for riding into the office of a multi-billion dollar private company on a unicorn and firing the CEO.</p>
<p>Cartoonish is the worldview that thinks hardliners in Tehran, Pyongyang, Moscow and Beijing respect weakness and that we establish Peace Through Superior Flower Power.  The truth is that Obama could not give a shit less about North Korea.  It&#8217;s all a, are you ready for this?, &#8220;distraction&#8221; from his greater goals of punishing first priority lien holders for believing there was a system of law in place in this country and extorting money out of states to support his car company habit.</p>
<p>Stay in your fantasy world, TF.  You&#8217;ve commented on and off here for several years now.  Do us a favor and stick with &#8220;off&#8221; for a while until you wake up and realize you voted for a megalomaniac who is systematically going to turn us into a third world country.</p>
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		<title>By: Thelonious Funk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thelonious Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You only see what you want to see through your ultra-partisan filter.  Spending all day harumphnig with your buddies who only harumph back in agreement causes mental atrophy.

As for North Korea and Iran, there are no easy answers.  If there were, everything would be all hunky-dory already.  Obama said he intends not to fall into the same old game the North Koreans have been playing where they make threats and then get rewarded for standing down.  Seems like you&#039;d want to work carefully to break out of that cycle.  Whatever you do, provocation is not advisable.  Push too hard and you&#039;ve got a shooting war, and if you hadn&#039;t noticed, they have nukes (aquired/developed while W was president) and not much to lose.  As for Iran, their internal politics could make the difference right now.  If the moderates come out ahead in the elections, we might have somebody over there who will at least return our calls.  Grandstanding over here right now would only help entrench Ahmadinejad.  Is that what you want?  

If Kennedy had just grabbed his junk and gone with the hawks during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we&#039;d all be dead (or never born) right now.  When it comes to nukes, I&#039;ll take careful diplomacy over testosterone-crazed posturing any day.  Even the NRA will remind you never to point at a target you don&#039;t intend to destroy, and to be sure of your target and what is beyond it.  

But then, none of this is what your original commentary was about.  You just wanted to say that Obama was incomprehensible without his teleprompter.  He wasn&#039;t incomprehensible at all.  You just have no desire to listen to what he said, because it doesn&#039;t jibe with your cartoonish view of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You only see what you want to see through your ultra-partisan filter.  Spending all day harumphnig with your buddies who only harumph back in agreement causes mental atrophy.</p>
<p>As for North Korea and Iran, there are no easy answers.  If there were, everything would be all hunky-dory already.  Obama said he intends not to fall into the same old game the North Koreans have been playing where they make threats and then get rewarded for standing down.  Seems like you&#8217;d want to work carefully to break out of that cycle.  Whatever you do, provocation is not advisable.  Push too hard and you&#8217;ve got a shooting war, and if you hadn&#8217;t noticed, they have nukes (aquired/developed while W was president) and not much to lose.  As for Iran, their internal politics could make the difference right now.  If the moderates come out ahead in the elections, we might have somebody over there who will at least return our calls.  Grandstanding over here right now would only help entrench Ahmadinejad.  Is that what you want?  </p>
<p>If Kennedy had just grabbed his junk and gone with the hawks during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we&#8217;d all be dead (or never born) right now.  When it comes to nukes, I&#8217;ll take careful diplomacy over testosterone-crazed posturing any day.  Even the NRA will remind you never to point at a target you don&#8217;t intend to destroy, and to be sure of your target and what is beyond it.  </p>
<p>But then, none of this is what your original commentary was about.  You just wanted to say that Obama was incomprehensible without his teleprompter.  He wasn&#8217;t incomprehensible at all.  You just have no desire to listen to what he said, because it doesn&#8217;t jibe with your cartoonish view of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pearls to swine Brian.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Slow, thoughtful cadence&quot; implies that there was some substance at the end of that answer which there was not.

He punted.  He said we would do nothing except try to pass UN Resolutions and get Russia and China on board which will never happen unless the NorKs attack one of them.

A reporter asks him how this plan is working and he is fucking dumbfounded.  How you can look at the video, if you did (which I doubt), and say that he was thinking through his answer.  Jesus Fucking Christ - look at Sarkozy&#039;s reaction while he&#039;s sitting there.

You&#039;ve elected an incompetent fool who is going to let Iran get the fucking bomb and let North Korea threaten Japan with the ones they have.  His Peace At Any Price diplomacy is going to get a lot of people killed because he thinks that every tinpot dictator is a big pussy like he is - or should I say, like you are since he&#039;s only reflecting his whacko, far Left constituency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Slow, thoughtful cadence&#8221; implies that there was some substance at the end of that answer which there was not.</p>
<p>He punted.  He said we would do nothing except try to pass UN Resolutions and get Russia and China on board which will never happen unless the NorKs attack one of them.</p>
<p>A reporter asks him how this plan is working and he is fucking dumbfounded.  How you can look at the video, if you did (which I doubt), and say that he was thinking through his answer.  Jesus Fucking Christ &#8211; look at Sarkozy&#8217;s reaction while he&#8217;s sitting there.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve elected an incompetent fool who is going to let Iran get the fucking bomb and let North Korea threaten Japan with the ones they have.  His Peace At Any Price diplomacy is going to get a lot of people killed because he thinks that every tinpot dictator is a big pussy like he is &#8211; or should I say, like you are since he&#8217;s only reflecting his whacko, far Left constituency.</p>
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		<title>By: Thelonious Funk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thelonious Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, let&#039;s see.  He answered a question in a slow, thoughtful cadence with actual complete sentences.  I don&#039;t know what you were watching there, but it seems you guys have all dropped off the deep end.  Because he didn&#039;t have a short, pre-rehearsed, pat answer, you think he&#039;s an idiot?  Mr. Obama&#039;s predecessor would have responded to that question in a slow deer-in-the-headlights cadence, lacking actual sentences, and likely generating several words new to the English language.  

You people are so spun up agreeing with yourselves, you can&#039;t even make objective observations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, let&#8217;s see.  He answered a question in a slow, thoughtful cadence with actual complete sentences.  I don&#8217;t know what you were watching there, but it seems you guys have all dropped off the deep end.  Because he didn&#8217;t have a short, pre-rehearsed, pat answer, you think he&#8217;s an idiot?  Mr. Obama&#8217;s predecessor would have responded to that question in a slow deer-in-the-headlights cadence, lacking actual sentences, and likely generating several words new to the English language.  </p>
<p>You people are so spun up agreeing with yourselves, you can&#8217;t even make objective observations.</p>
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		<dc:creator>daledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Backstage after the meeting with Sarkozy:
Chin-wiping assistant (Axelrod): You killed out there Mr. President.
BO: I didn&#039;t kill anyone.
Axelrod: It&#039;s an expression sir. I meant to say that you did well.
BO: How did my White Sox do today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Backstage after the meeting with Sarkozy:<br />
Chin-wiping assistant (Axelrod): You killed out there Mr. President.<br />
BO: I didn&#8217;t kill anyone.<br />
Axelrod: It&#8217;s an expression sir. I meant to say that you did well.<br />
BO: How did my White Sox do today?</p>
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